Other bass forums...

[Steve_M]

I'm starting to get fed up with small minded, petty bullies on virtually every bass forum I go to - including the one I run!!

Oh please don't ever let this one tolerate pointless pedantry, antisocial behaviour and cliquey-ness!!

I remember even on The Bottom Line, there was one guy who was an admin who got on everyone's nerves by his exhaustive battling over the most irrelevant points of fact. There's also a member of Bassworld who resigned from being a mod because we'd recieved too many complaints about him antagonising members. We pointed out to him that we'd recieved complaints, that it was making the rest of the team look bad and so asked him what he would be prepared to do. Instead of stepping up to the plate and working with us, he quit instead. Now I believe he's circulating a photo on Talkbass taken from my myspace page which has been retouched to make it look obscene. Ironically, the more he does things like this the more justified I feel in the approach we took with him.

I've alerted the mods on that particular forum on Talkbass but... ...well, I guess all 4 of them aren't not on the internet all the time, are they?

Speaking of Talkbass, I posted a fairly innocuous enquiry about what kinds of basses there are out there which sound like a 70's jazz bass and at the point where the thread starts winding down, I post the bass that I decided to get and one particular user decides to start having a bit of a go at me. I try to reason but get nowhere. So I point out to him that he's just point scoring, but that's like trying to reason with a slow motion avalanche of cold porridge (oatmeal to you merrycans). I didn't do anything to deserve such dreadful treatment! I felt like I was being bullied!

I'm also a bit upset because one of my team at work had a serious stroke over the weekend and he's completely paralysed down his left side. It all feels like its getting on top of me at the moment.

[Richard Prowse]

Steve, sorry to hear about your workmate.
You should spend more time on the Down Here (NZ) thread where everyone loves you.
I know I speak for Stan... and 2nd fiddle Rob.

Your pal Richard

[Steve_M]

Thanks Richard. One of my team recieved a quick phone call from him yesterday (while the nurses weren't looking) and he seems to be recovering. Apparently he just suddenly came over weak on Saturday and collapsed into a chair. They suspect that a stroke was the cause.

[David Powell]

Steve, sorry to hear about your workmate.
You should spend more time on the Down Here (NZ) thread where everyone loves you.
I know I speak for Stan... and 2nd fiddle Rob.

Your pal Richard Hi Steve. I hope your co-worker is recovering. Strokes are pretty bad and they usually hit two in a row, so be prepared.

For the time, Master Ken has a very civil environment here. So refreshing. So how's the Celinder doing? I didn't keep up with that thread after you purchased. I read up to that point and thought it probably sounded like you got a good J-bass type. It's so strange what people will jump on. I tend to think all Fenders and the copies sound pretty much the same and I don't dare get into that with the Fender heads at TB. Way too much superstition about it all. Of course I have an old P, and it sounds great;- when someone that knows how to play plays it. When a guitarist picks it up, it will make one wonder.

Part of TB is just knowing when to say, OK, whatever. I'm biting on the argumentative types a lot less often over there. It's good practice when someone tries to poke to just let it go. There are reasonable people there also. Sometimes I think the arguments are started just to keep a thread on page 1. And the whole thing seems to be some huge bass marketing hypothetical lately. If you had $1K, and already owned every possible configuration of strings and frets and pick-ups in existence, which SadullaFodulus would you put a down payment on? Get Real!

[Steve_M]

Hi David, my colleague doesn't seem too upset - he's a very humble guy with an ironic sense of humour. He keeps to himself and seems to have endless reserves of patience so working with him is a breeze. Plus he's very experienced and I can chuck just about any project his way and know that he'll wrestle with it and nail it down somehow. I'm just glad that he seems to be in good spirits.

As for Talkbass, I've gotten Paul involved and so far he's on my side. He did suggest that I was mud slinging as much as the others, but I refuted this given that the topic was my motives for the purchase and I had the right to assert my opinion as fact. Toasted is just emotionally-stunted and lacks any degree of humility. Lets say no more on that. I'm getting fed up with taking cr*p over Bassworld so I may well make this forum the only one I use if the other BW mods don't intervene on my behalf. Looks like I have to book a date in a diary for the TB mods to respond. So slow! We're like lightning on Bassworld by comparison!

Anyways, the Celinder is pretty good. It does a great impersonation of Marcus Miller's bass but I'm not a great fan of Jazz basses if the truth be known. While they're oomphy and snappy, I miss the lower midrange power that Smiths and Musicman basses deliver. I use the Smiths as my every day, first call basses and then the 4 strings I own are all supposed to deliver 'classic' funk bass sounds. I got the Celinder bass simply because I'm setting up a band where the sound is going to be useful for particular songs.

FWIW, I revamped my website over the weekend and added pics:
http://www.freewebs.com/crazykiwi_bass/mybasses.htm

The Celinder is shown there also.

[Steve_M]

BTW - does anyone else agree that moderating can be a thankless task at times?

[Richard Prowse]

BTW - does anyone else agree that moderating can be a thankless task at times?
I know that keeping the Down Here (NZ0 thread moving along can be tough, especially when Stan Haskins isn't pulling his weight.

[Steve_M]

Well, we've got an outbreak of paranoia on the forum at the moment. Someone, somewhere has been spreading conspiracy theories about the way in which the site is managed. Looks like I'm going to have to deal with each individual by themselves rather than address the whole forum.

[David Powell]

I don't know if we have moderators here, just mostly moderates. :o

It's a different little corner here for sure. I'm trying not to take web forums too seriously. But in between the banter, there's good information.

If you are a KSB fan, you are definitely in the right place. I like your web page. Pretty clean design. The fret-less BSR5 is just totally gorgeous. I think that you've got a nice collection there.

So have you met my friend Richard Prowse?

[Steve_M]

Thanks for your compliments David! :) The myspace page was put together in an afternoon. I nicked someone elses layout, changed the colours and replaced the banner with one I made earlier. It needed a few changes here and there but works pretty much OK.

Re forums. Its definitely easier to maintain perspective when you're not responsible for running one. I can leave Talkbass behind but I still worry about Bassworld. I don't know why but I guess I like creating something that people appreciate. Thats a massive driver for me in everything that I do.

I'm very satisfied with the collection at the moment. Its at a point where I have all the sounds I think I'm likely to need. My mate Ari's got a stunning collection of colour coordinated MTD's which look like they're straight out of a catalogue when he photographs them. He also owns a lovely Smith BSR5TE BTW.

My collection is a little more eclectic. More concentrated on the sounds I know and like.

I had a chat with my hospitalised colleague today. Poor guy is slurring his speech a little - perhaps because of the stroke. He sounds a little scared as well but is putting a brave face on. Its so hard not to get emotional when I think about him... ...what the heck, thats the british reserve kicking in, I should get emotional about things like this. Its healthy and justified.

He says they're keeping him in over Easter holidays to check the effectiveness of the blood thinning medication they've put him on. If it doesn't work by the end of next week they may decide to operate in order to remove the clots. I don't blame him for being scared.

He hopes to be back at work the week after next. I've just told him to not worry about work. We've got it all covered. If we need to get cover in, we can and when he's ready to return, we'll take him back on without hesitation. His wife is saying that his recovery might take months rather than weeks, but he doesn't know that of course.

I'm not religious at all, but if ever I felt a need for prayers to work, its now.

[Richard Prowse]

Thinking of you, old mate.
Richard

[Steve_M]

A bit more of a lighter note, I had a text conversation with my colleague today. He seemed to be bearing up well with no further complications. I asked him if the doctors were going to put him on warfarin (also used as rat poison) to help clear the clots out. He said the doctors were currently trying to calculate what the near-lethal dose was likely to be!

I then asked him if there were going to be any expected side effects and he replied yes, an aversion to the projects he was working on in the office.

It was good to see that his humour was still healthy!

[Richard Prowse]

A bit more of a lighter note, I had a text conversation with my colleague today. He seemed to be bearing up well with no further complications. I asked him if the doctors were going to put him on warfarin (also used as rat poison) to help clear the clots out. He said the doctors were currently trying to calculate what the near-lethal dose was likely to be!

I then asked him if there were going to be any expected side effects and he replied yes, an aversion to the projects he was working on in the office.

It was good to see that his humour was still healthy!
Good to hear that your work mate is feeling better.

[Steve_M]

Hi Richard, I think its more a case of him adjusting to the situation. When I spoke to him last week, I think he was still dealing with the fear. Now I get the impression he's more prepared for it mentally.

The doctors were apparently working out what a 'near lethal' dose might be. So he hasn't yet met the worst of it yet. He may encounter various forms of bleeding and risk haemorraging if the doctors don't estimate his tolerance properly. He's an inspiration to me...

...and I'm his boss!

[Richard Prowse]

Hi Richard, I think its more a case of him adjusting to the situation. When I spoke to him last week, I think he was still dealing with the fear. Now I get the impression he's more prepared for it mentally.

The doctors were apparently working out what a 'near lethal' dose might be. So he hasn't yet met the worst of it yet. He may encounter various forms of bleeding and risk haemorraging if the doctors don't estimate his tolerance properly. He's an inspiration to me...

...and I'm his boss!
I know what you're going through. A lady in my department has cancer and will have her second operation this coming Friday. She rang the other night to say that she couldn't come in for the first two weeks of next term. She's dealing with the big 'C' and she's worried about missing two weeks at school! I think the reality of work focuses her mind on something else.

[Steve_M]

A little bit more positive news. He's due to leave hospital! Still don't know how long its going to be until he's back at work but its definitely good to hear.

[Richard Prowse]

Good news Steve.

[Steve_M]

It gets a bit better and I get back on topic...


...Unfortunately, my colleague tells me he's going to be out of action until September. Because he's only contract staff and therefore subject to 1 weeks notice, his latest email was essentially his resignation. I'm sad about that because he was only just getting stuck into his projects. However, I have a load of extra time in the new organisation because I don't have the same admin workload so I can take up some of the slack.

So back OT:

We've launched a new, more reliable and more secure alternative to Bassworld.co.uk at www.basstalk.co.uk. Initially we were just trialling it out, but the hosts of Bassworld made a complete mess of an update to the site and put it offline essentially. So we found ourselves in a situation where we were 100% reliant on a forum that was still under development.

In the last 3 years I've been moderating the site, we've not recieved a single word of thanks or recognition in respect of the thousands of unpaid hours the other admin and I have put into the site from the owner. The owner of the site didn't want to negotiate a share of the domain name with us in recognition of how we made the site what it is and he broke promises to revamp and upgrade the whole board.

Up until we decided to launch the other forum, he stopped replying to our emails, text messages and 2 weeks ago he finally blocked us on MSN. In the meantime the other admin and I were left having to protect him from heavy criticism over the site's reliability.

Anyways, the rest is history. I don't know if Bassworld will be resurrected but its likely we won't be admin any more if/when it happens.

[Richard Prowse]

I've just joint basstalk.co.uk.
The site's a funny colour. I think I feel safer here.

[Steve_M]

Richard, soon you will be able to choose the colour you like to see on the forum as part of your settings. I'll change the brown skin to a slightly less brown skin and have a jazz themed banner.

[Richard Prowse]

it's not the colour, just that I don't know how to find my way around.

[Ken Smith]

My Son Mike has come up with this. You like?

http://www.smithbassforums.com/images/misc/ksb-logo.gif

[Steve_M]

My Son Mike has come up with this. You like?

http://www.smithbassforums.com/images/misc/ksb-logo.gif

I like the use of Kens hand writing! Thats got a nice friendly feel and the wood is a lovely touch if you can get the colour of the forum to tie into it (shouldn't be too hard). Have you planned what kind of feel you want the forums to have? Having an overall concept in mind can sometimes help whittle choices down when it comes to the detail. For example, if you wanted to go for a feel that was warm, with organic tones (emphasising the importance of wood), then you might also choose basses or features that had been photographed in soft light rather than a hard flash.

I think the images of the basses are cut out a little roughly, I've learned there's a real art to doing this properly. You've got to leave the edges slightly fuzzy so that the objects don't look too disassociated from the background. It also helps to pay attention to the lighting sources used on the images - too many sources of light can prevent the banner from looking visually cohesive.

The other thing is that I've found it helps to think about the banner having layers of depth - ie. a foreground, midground and background. Usually I put the lettering in the midground, have some foreground features and then a background texture. Usually it helps for the background texture to have some kind of depth to it on its own.

Using transparency helps to ensure that the elements aren't all competing for attention as well. I generally knock the background textures back to 70% or even 50% opacity.

Was the irregular shape of the banner intentional or was it just part of the sketchy work in progress?

If Mike wants any help on that front I'm happy to assist.

it's not the colour, just that I don't know how to find my way around.

Richard, just get in there and muck about. :) Pretty much anything you break I can fix apart from deleted posts.

I've had to do just that as admin and there are HUNDREDS of settings behind the scenes that I need to learn. Then there's the stuff they DON'T tell you, like how to import a skin.

[Ken Smith]

No, it is not my hand writing. It's just a font Mike found.

YES, it is a 'work in progress' so it has a ways to go.

I would want the heading more 'left' to start with so the Scroll is not the border. Also 'Yes' again he needs to 'cut' a bit cleaner and that requires a large blow-up and patience as well.

I think it is a nice 'Idea' which is all it is at this time, an Idea.

Background Skin is next after we get the Logo done. We have to remember that he is not working full time for me. He is a 16 year old High School student in 10th grade and currently with a 4.058 g.p.a. doing some A.P. as well as Honors courses not to mention he's on the 'Tennis Team' and plays in the #1 spot singles. I think with his limited time, he has done wonders here so he can take his time putting on a new Face for the Forum..;)

[Steve_M]

Ken, I hope you don't think I'm having a go at Mike - far from it. That's why I extended the offer of help. I'm busy too but I can make the time if Mike would appreciate the support. :)

[Ken Smith]

Ken, I hope you don't think I'm having a go at Mike - far from it. That's why I extended the offer of help. I'm busy too but I can make the time if Mike would appreciate the support. :)

Yes, I can see that and Mike will too. Just thought I would make it clear about his time schedule.

[Richard Prowse]

Could the Down Here (NZ) thread please be green and black?
These are the official Wainuiomata colours. No rush on this one though Mike.

[Steve_M]

LMAO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/jamesbond/images/cat.jpg

Aaaaaaah Mr Prowse, we discover your plans for world domination!!!

DO NOT DENY IT!

[Richard Prowse]

Just because I'm working to turn brother Rob into a 'mini me' is no reason to jump to conclusions.
Ps. Steve can you please refer to me as Mr Evil from now on.

[Richard Prowse]

Hey! Evil is Live backwards!
scary...

[Steve_M]

Just because I'm working to turn brother Rob into a 'mini me' is no reason to jump to conclusions.
Ps. Steve can you please refer to me as Mr Evil from now on.

Yes Mr Evil!

BTW, it sounds like you might be interested in personal development through The Art of Bonsai. Have you tried bonsai on Rob yet?

I know a guy who can help.

http://www.airamerica.com/maddow/files/maddow/images/swedish_chef.jpg

"Hoooooooong deboef de chop chop!"

What he lacks in experience, he makes up for in enthusiasm and speed.

[Richard Prowse]

I've tried mutant deep sea bass...
too hard to import sharks these days, what with all regulations.

[Steve_M]

Its them laser beams on the heads. They require a special license for the importation of military hardware.

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/03/sharks_lasers.jpg

[Ken Smith]

Could the Down Here (NZ) thread please be green and black?
These are the official Wainuiomata colours. No rush on this one though Mike.

Maybe if it were black on black my eyes would finally get a break. Currently, I have not a single clue what goes on in that Thread or some of the others you are 'involved' in.

[Ken Smith]

Its them laser beams on the heads. They require a special license for the importation of military hardware.

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/03/sharks_lasers.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/slothjammin/shark_laser_head.jpg

WILL SOMEONE PLEAZZZEE GIVE THAT FISH A "HAPPY MEAL"????

[Mike Smith]

Thanks for the tips Steve, I'll be sure to post some revisions of what I've started so far to give everybody a feel for what's going on.

[Richard Prowse]

Maybe if it were black on black my eyes would finally get a break. Currently, I have not a single clue what goes on in that Thread or some of the others you are 'involved' in.
Come on Ken, I thought you loved the Down Here (NZ) thread you always seem to be reading it when I log on.

[stan haskins]

I think he's just monitoring you.

[Richard Prowse]

I think he's just monitoring you.
Ken monitor me? Why?
Ah, well, I'll just have to keep a stiff upper lip.

[Steve_M]

Ken monitor me? Why?
Ah, well, I'll just have to keep a stiff upper lip.

I've got one I don't use much these days if you need it? PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.

[Steve_M]

WILL SOMEONE PLEAZZZEE GIVE THAT FISH A "HAPPY MEAL"????

Here fishy fishy fishy...

[Ken Smith]

Here fishy fishy fishy...

http://silencio.weblog.com.pt/images/eyes/NG-Chris_Fallows-FlyingShark.GIF

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Steve_M]

http://nefsc.noaa.gov/read/popdy/monkfish/pictures/julia_child_monksm.jpg

"and today my friend here and I, will be showing you how to make a good ol kiwi family favourite - shark 'n' taties..."

[Richard Prowse]

http://nefsc.noaa.gov/read/popdy/monkfish/pictures/julia_child_monksm.jpg

"and today my friend here and I, will be showing you how to make a good ol kiwi family favourite - shark 'n' taties..."
You mean 'Fush n Chups'.

[Steve_M]

You mean 'Fush n Chups'.

Julia's got a Boston accent so I don't think she'd get the joke across somehow. ;)

[stan haskins]

That's no Boston accent . . . that's the sherry talking.

Hey Steve, some guy on myspace sent me a friend request yesterday - he uses the same avatar as you, except he seems to lean more towards the "pschopathic" side.

C'mon - original avatars only, man!

[Richard Prowse]

That's no Boston accent . . . that's the sherry talking.

Is Stan right Steve?
Sherry does not go with fush n chups!

[Steve_M]

http://www.thestar.com/Obituary/AtoG/article/107910

Not from what I can see, apparently she prefers beer. We've got a well known drunken celeb chef in the UK called Keith Floyd, although he's teetotal these days. He used to get very wellied on camera and end up leering into it and being very bossy to the cameraman.

http://www.swindonweb.com/arkells/imgs/floyd.jpg

BTW, changing the subject slightly. I had a drink last night with this bloke:

http://www.myspace.com/chrisminhdoky

and this bloke

http://www.daveswiftbass.com/

My mate Mike works for Jazzwise magazine here in the UK and Chris was giving a demo of his Yamaha Silent Bass. I loved his playing but the instrument left me uninspired. Jools Holland is almost a british institution having run his huge RnB boogie orchestra for over 15 years. I've chatted to Dave on the phone before but hadn't met him in real life yet.

Dave plays a Ernst Heinrich Roth 1939 Double Bass.

http://www.daveswiftbass.com/pages/basses/doublebass.html

[Richard Prowse]

Yamaha Silent Bass...
Is this a bass guitar with no pickups?
A bass with no strings?
Really a motorcycle, only the engine won't start?

[Steve_M]

Its a bass that knows when to stop talking. ;)

[Anselm Hauke]

Its a bass that knows when to stop talking. ;)
:D:D:D:D:D

[Richard Prowse]

:D:D:D:D:D
Is this a chorus line of green guys Haukey?
What show is it from?

[Richard Prowse]

...and don't tell me it's 'Silent Movie'!

[Richard Prowse]

Its a bass that knows when to stop talking. ;)
Did you mean 'torquing', as in neck adjustment?

[Anselm Hauke]

prowsey, i started with one green guy.
then the forum-software said:
"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters."
so i added one after another, until i could post my answer.

(well, in between i tried to add some "lol", but that didnt look so good.)
:o

[Anselm Hauke]

Is this a chorus line of green guys Haukey?
What show is it from?

it´s from "big noise from Wainuiomata" ;)

[Richard Prowse]

it´s from "big noise from Wainuiomata" ;)
Ah, Haukey! You know all about Wainuiomata!
Good spelling too!
One point though... my writing doesn't actually make much noise.
Are you using a metaphor?

[Richard Prowse]

prowsey, i started with one green guy.
then the forum-software said:
"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters."
so i added one after another, until i could post my answer.

(well, in between i tried to add some "lol", but that didnt look so good.)
:o
Love you Haukey!

[Anselm Hauke]

Ah, Haukey! You know all about Wainuiomata!
Good spelling too!
One point though... my writing doesn't actually make much noise.
Are you using a metaphor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xr4YWSAitw

[Richard Prowse]

I know the tune Haukey.
Are you being deep?

[Anselm Hauke]

Are you being deep?

please excuse my bad english, i don´t understand that:confused::(

[Richard Prowse]

Big noise from Bremen.

[Anselm Hauke]

ha, you have no "ü" on your keyboard.
:)
i give you some:
üüüÜÜ äääÄÄÄ ÖÖÖööö
ß?
edit:
hey, prowsey, you changed "duseldorf" in "bremen" while i replied
thats not fair

[Richard Prowse]

please excuse my bad english, i don´t understand that:confused::(
'to be deep' means to have hidden meanings, for example,
telling me about 'big noise...' may be a subtle way of saying that I write (talk) too much on this thread. Obviously the fact that I had to explain this to you negates the original premise somewhat.

[Anselm Hauke]

i was just kidding.
sorry.

topic change:
i wonder what cames after "senior posting member"?
how much do you have to post to reach the next level?

[Richard Prowse]

ha, you have no "ü" on your keyboard.
:)
i give you some:
üüüÜÜ äääÄÄÄ ÖÖÖööö
ß?
edit:
hey, prowsey, you changed "duseldorf" in "bremen" while i replied
thats not fair
I couldn't bloody spell it! ...I didn't even know about the 'dot' thingies!

[Richard Prowse]

i was just kidding.
sorry.

topic change:
i wonder what cames after "senior posting member"?
how much do you have to post to reach the next level?
Field Marshal?

[Anselm Hauke]

I couldn't bloody spell it! ...I didn't even know about the 'dot' thingies!

Düsseldorf

[Richard Prowse]

Düsseldorf
I promote you to Field Marshal because of your good spelling of German place names.

[Steve_M]

And back on topic:

I had a very friendly post this week from Paul, owner of Talkbass, asking me how permanent Basstalk was going to be because he was concerned about "smearing" (his quotes) our business interests.

Our exchange was very civil and amicable but the following points occurred to me:

1) We bought the .co.uk domain name legitimately, in the UK through a UK registration site with a UK credit card. If he wanted to legally bully us, would he have to do so using UK law?

2) How much money must he make from all the subscriptions and advertising that goes on his site? It must be close to half a million dollars or more - any thoughts people? I noticed he's just introduced non-subscription only ads displayed on the first post in every page too.

3) Would anyone who isn't literate enough to tell the difference between talkbass.com (blue) and basstalk.co.uk (brown) be making much of a contribution to either forum? Some how I think not.

4) The membership of Bassworld/Basstalk.co.uk is tiny (4000 members) compared to the leviathan of Talkbass (51,000 members) but it might be worth something to him, if he's concerned enough about its impact on his business interests enough to enquire. I did suggest we could work something out about the domain name when Bassworld is back up but no response. :(

[Richard Prowse]

Haukey'll fix it for you.
He's smart!

[Steve_M]

5) Nobody on Basstalk.co.uk confuses us with Talkbass.com!

[Mike Smith]

i wonder what cames after "senior posting member"?
how much do you have to post to reach the next level?

At the moment, Senior Posting Member is the highest level for the average user. We may change the post counts for each level at a later date or add more status levels.

[Richard Prowse]

At the moment, Senior Posting Member is the highest level for the average user. We may change the post counts for each level at a later date or add more status levels.
Can I be a Captain?
Please! Please!

[Steve_M]

I hereby promote you to Captain of Getting Things Back On Topic.

May all who sail in her...

...umm, whatever.

[Steve_M]

We were given 28 days by the owner of Bassworld to delete the database that had been copied from Bassworld for the purposes of testing the test site basstalk. We were in some doubt as to the legality of his request but at the end of the day we thought 'screw it, there's an opportunity for a clean break and some autonomy here, lets go for it'.

So Bassworld had already gone down and it doesn't look like it will be resurrected, Basstalk will be dissolved and so we set up www.basschat.co.uk (http://www.basschat.co.uk) under some trepidation.

I mean, people have been kicked out of one forum, been routed to another and then asked to sign up to a third - how inconvenient is that? There was one particularly subversive member who had been trying to undermine our management of bassworld by promoting a competitive (but less popular) site and I'm pleased to say that it looks like he's given up and gone to sulk on the other site. Thats cool with us because it means we don't have to put up with his constant harping and it makes the other site even more a refuge for whingers.

RESULT!

So we set up the new site and had 500 people sign up in the first 10 days! Plus it was wonderful the amount of support we got from everyone - such overwhelming positivity. We opened up a donations fund to pay for a new skin for the site and in 7 days managed to raise £150!

I mean, clouds... ...silver linings or what? I'm totally buzzed by the fact that all but one of the nasty people have gone and we've been left with all the good people. It couldn't be better!!!

Onwards and upwards!

[Richard Prowse]

It couldn't be better!!!

Onwards and upwards!
"Richard:
You're mission, if you decide to accept it, is to resurrect an obselete thread. As usual..."