Markbass amps??????
 

Has anyone tried them out? The fact that they are so light is a real draw.

I know they have some users in the EU, but have not heard much about them in the US.

:confused:

Mark Bass amps
 

I do not own one. Yet. I am hearing really good things about them. The one thing I always here that that amp does not color the tone of the bass with the amp - the bass tends to be sonically true to it's tone color. I know of two users in Maryland - they are extremely happy with them.

I wonder what a Smith Bass would sound like - with a fresh new set of ken smith strings - with a markbass amp! Since all Smith basses have a very destinictive tone ( - I can also tell if the bass is a smith in any song - ) Would the Markbass amp - let the KS tone come through even more???

markbass
 

Christopher,

I ask myself the same questions. I too can identify a Smith on a song because of its snappy tone.

I am tempted to get one as a smaller gig/practice amp. I will post results if I do.

Bill Doss

Amps
 

I currently used a David Eden WT 800-C with (2) 2x10 Epifinai Cabs. My Ken Smith beauty is BT Vintage Elite 6 string (BT6EG)

Currently a super redhead dated 1997. Im going to add either an avatar 210 or the 410 neo for more push

Other amps I had at some point in time:

Sunn1200s : Loud but too easy to distort, but sounded great set flat.

Peavey Classic 400 : LOUD Good tone..but at 98 lbs...you get the idea

Aguilar DB728 w/ Kern Preamp : best setup I had so far....svt lows with swr highs. heavey and took too much damage during tours. Chitlin circuit is very unforgiving.

ideal rig now might be a glockenklang preamp and aguilar db728. I love tubes for power. Match that with an accurate solid state pre and I think I'll get that elusive tone.:)

I'm a big fan of the EBS amps. Using an old EBS Gorm-300 2x10 combo myself.

New Attitude- New State and New Rig
 

Ok Dennis/Tim I know by now you've read I'm moving to ST Louis, well after carefull consideration and listening itensely to the eden sound, I've sold my Ampeg Rig and soon will be utilizing all DE products. Al :D

DE Man!
 

Well Al, you are a smart man! Better later than never. What DE products are you seeking?

David Eden
 

To busy with the relocation right now to be specific, but I want a light rig so the biggest cab will consist of 4-tens, the head is yet to be determined.
Any recommendations :confused:

Recommendations....
 

Yep. Easy!.......Amp (head): Eden WT-550. And (if you are only going to get 1 4x10 cab) 1 Eden 4ohm 410 XST or 410 XLT. ;)

Thanks Tim
 

As always I appreciate your wisdom and envy your experience Tim, my goal is to reach a level of professionalism and knowledge equal to your own. This board has truly blessed me with information cognitive to the betterment of my quest to become the best bass player I can be.

Thanks Al, but....
 

Thanks Al, I do appreciate you and your kind words. :) However, if I may offer: Strengthen your goal of reaching that "level of professionalism and knowledge" by surrounding yourself with those that are proven and choose to contribute to it. I'm just one cog in a very big wheel. While I'm ok with that and happy to be a part of your goal, don't ever find yourself settling for just the one cog.

Discernment is key and I would suspect I don't have to tell you where that comes from. ;)

Bass amp - light weight
 

I am getting a LMKII amp shortly. I will let everyone know how it sounds with the Ken Smith Basses. The amp only weigh 7lbs - @500 watts - @4ohm.

I suspect a new set of strings (smith stainless steel) on my 6-string BMT elite smith, plus this LMKII amp will produce some sweet tones. A lot of the local players are using them in the mid-atlantic region.

Eden Club
 

Alright its officially happened I sold all of my Ampeg gear and bought all David Eden gear. I now own a very mobile and light Eden rig, I have the http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif

Eden WT550 Bass Amp matched with a Eden 410 XLT David Series Cabinet. :)

It's officially a great choice!
 

Al, you are going to LOVE this set-up! I guaroantee.

You won't need to adjust the amp EQ much as it has all the tonal head-room you'll need. You'll be able to set the amp and your Smith virtually flat and find it will only take slight adjustments to Amp EQ, Bass, and Treble; with a touch of the Enhance (around 11:00 should do) to accentuate any EQ adjustment you make at the amp. Another really nice feature with this amp is that you have an XLR Out of the back with a Level Adj. to send to the house.

Gret rig Al. Congrats!!!

And later.....if you decide to add another Eden 4-Ohm 410XST, 410XLT, or 210XST (because you can).......oh my!!! :) :D ;) :rolleyes:

Congrat to you, buddy! I'm in the process of selling some SWR gear to complete my Eden equipment. :)

I owned some Eden gear about 10 years ago. Has much changed since they were sold?

Changed?
 

I would recommend going to the Eden Web Site. All the answers are there for you. By the way, David Nordschow is still a critical part of Eden's continued success under USMC.

Join The Club
 

Ronson, that great news I think in order to really move up to the next level the player, bass and rig need to be in sync with each other. For the longest time my Ampeg rig provided that sound that I have always searched for, but after studying with my previous teacher Antar Goodwin out of NJ and listening to his Fodera coming through his rig, a new sound passed through me and I found the means to provide the sound with the help of our good friend Tim Bishop with my current Eden rig. So I encourage you to experiment with different set-ups until you acquire the means to produce the type of sound that you've always search for.

The New Rig
 

Well here it is my new rig set-up, after talking with Dennis and Tim I sold all of my Ampeg gear purchased David Eden's equipment starting with the WT550 Bass Head supported by a 410XLT and 115XLT cabinet both cabs are 8 ohms but parallel linked together my impedance is 4 ohms.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6408/wt550eo3.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1689/410xltmf8.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/442/115xltsx5.jpg

Yeah, baby!
 

Yeah, baby! :)

Still waitin on that report Al! :rolleyes:

Absolutely Perfect
 

Tim as usual you are "The Man" the suggestions you gave were right on the money!!! I love the sound I'm creating with barely any adjustments what so ever. It like listening to a brand new Smith. When your right your right I loved my Ampeg rig, but honestly my new rig brings my sound to a new level.

Yep
 

Well, that is exactly what I expected to hear from you. :rolleyes: Congrats and enjoy! Remember, you can take the load down to 2-Ohms and get an add'l output of 250W !!! :D You may not need it, but you can. :rolleyes:

Also, when you don't need to use the cab's, you'll have to try using the 550 as a DI sometime. The soundman will love you! :D

BT5 Elite Meets Eden
 

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/345/bt5edensh5.jpg

Here's a shot of my new traveling rig, David Eden 410XLT CAB - WT-550 Bass head and my Ken Smith BT5 EG Elite made in 2001

A dynamite set up, Brother Al! Congrats!! My first new Eden acquisition will most likely be the D210XST. I'm working on it now... ;)

Go 4 the 410
 

Ronson great to hear from you my brother, are you sure the 210 will handle the venue your currently in? I know travel wise it's light and easy to transport but I think you might want to reconsider and go for the 410 as it will afford you the ability to handle much bigger venues when you venture out to other places of worship. Just something to think about ultimately you know your own needs. :rolleyes:

Eden 210XST
 

The Eden 210XST is (IMO) THE best 210 Cab. on the market. At 500W at 8-Ohms, it can flat bring it! I would encourage you to get it Ronson. Then later, if you need to add another Cab., then definately get the 410XST or 410XLT. Particularly, if you match them with the WT-550 (I highly recommend this amp)! The WT-550 will give you 500W at 4-Ohms and 750W at 2-Ohms. Then, you will have all the flexibility you'll most likely ever need. ;) :)

Done Deal
 

Well if Tim say's it what's pop-in I guess you have to go with it. Tim definitely knows what he's talking about.

MP3 sound clips of you Ken Smith with the Eden setup
 

Tim & Al - is it possbile for you to record a few sound clips what your bass sounds like - with the DE setup. Some ideas are:

DE with the front pickup
DE with the back pickup
DE with both pickups
DE with your favoriite tone
DE for Fingerstyle
DE for Thumping (or slapping as it is called now)

That would really make this thread - exciting to say the least :)

Chris,

With Mike Smith's help, I started a thread about 5 months ago under "Music [BG]" : "Member Bass Clips". There is an upload filesize limitation (for obvious reasons) of, I believe, 5MB. I chose a short 30 sec. clip for this reason.

My clip is just a flat recording of my Smith Cocobolo 5EG. The link below will take you to the thread and my clip (as well as others).

http://www.smithbassforums.com/showthread.php?t=367

I am assuming that "DE" means David Eden. As far as getting a mix from my Eden Set-up??? Maybe some day when I have more time.

Realistically, trying to provide a sample sound clip of a DE set-up compressed down to an .mp3 would not be the best representation of the DE sound. If you really want to hear a DE set-up: Listen to it in a live situation. That way you can REALLY hear how good these rigs sound and I am sure you won't be disappointed. Especially with a properly set-up Smith Bass. ;)

Al & Tim, I appreciate all the valuable info, and please keep it flowing, will ya?

Tim, I believe you are right on with your assessment. Going on your reccomendation and all the research I've done, the Eden D210XLT or XST are clear top choices for the money. And, check this out: I ran into a guy who, instead of running the very fine 410 cab choice runs two 210's instead (both 4 ohm cabs)! He says to me "Ron, I sold myself on this setup a while ago, If I need to push more air, I just make two trips and load the two lighter 210's instead of my 410. I leave my 410 cab at the church, and save my back!" For me, that made sense!

Plus, you get to take that WT550 down to a 2 ohm load (750 watts) with the two cabs, and really push some air! I'm really thinking about this, guys.

Al, I'm leaning toward the XST, as it pushes a bit more "low end" which I absolutely adore. And, I think I might be done with 8 ohm cabs for a while.

Love That Bottom!
 

Hey I ain't mad at ya my brother, there is nothing like a fat bottom to get the funk pop-in. Every player searches for that ultimate sound they conceptually create in their respective ear. You know I was an Ampeg man for ever, but I got to admit the sounds I'm creating with just a tweak of the "DE" controls is off the hook. :D

210xst
 

I can see doin 2x210XST's, and yes, the XST's do shine a tad more on the bottom end. Choice of load (2, 4, or 8 Ohm) on the amp is obviously a choice, and only you can make it. 2 4-Ohm 210XST's will work great with the 550. Just keep in mind: Pushing air is key. You just have to decide how much air you will want and/or need to push. ;) BTW, the 410 Cabs roll very nicely on wheels, LOL! :D :)

And Al, don't even second guess your choice of cabs (i.e. XST vs. XLT) here. What you have is also smokin! ;)

Ditto to Al, Tim. Al, you've some beautiful stuff, man! I have two frends of mine here in the Alamo City with the same set up as you, and they sound fabulous! ;)

Tim, I also am going to try to unload my Traveler Plus so that I can get into a WT550, so wish me well. Brother Al, good "lookin' out" on the internet for those deals, bro! Please keep 'em comin' as time permits...

I use a SWR SM 500 into a 410 Mesa Boogie Diesel Cab (8ohm) to play my BSR6GN. It sounds pretty accurate for the money. Not the greatest sound though.

Heavy Weight Contender!
 

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2...yweightpp6.jpg

This is no "JOKE" this set-up is serious if your faint at heart don't try it, because your gonna LOVE it. Thanks Tim absolutely the BEST sounding rig I have ever owned. Expensive but worth every penny.

I have no doubt.
 

Al,

I have no doubt.

Having a good idea of what you wanted to hear; this is a Great choice you've made. ;)

My first Eden rig was an 8-Ohm 410XLT and 115XLT. I used the WT-800 to drive them (I used Bridged Mono (800W+) to push both speakers. :D :)

Enjoy!

I'll repost the pic of mine just to illustrate heavy weight contender status..

http://www.delusionalmind.com/equip/...abs_021107.jpg

That puppy is a back breaker, but man it sounds sweet.

Here it is....
 

Ok, Ok, I've been asked several times to show my rig. So, sorry for the delay. Here it is:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSCF0050.jpg

Sound? Power? Punch? Tone? Coverage?........Simply put: Devastating.

Yep, that looks like a painful back as well. Well done!!