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Brian Jonathan 11-05-2007 05:32 AM

[ask] modify a smith..
 
hi guys.. i'm newbie.. just buying a Smith BT6G '89-91 vintage from my friend..
i want to ask about.. what is your opinion if i change the 2-EQband smith original preamp on BT6G with a new aguilar OBP-3 preamp? is it gonna produced a great sound? any of you guys have ever tried to combined them?
i feel that i need the mid settings.. especially to get the melodic tone and support the slap sound (i've seen the john king's clip on youtube - i like the sound :D). please give me suggestions.. help. thank you all :)

Tim Bishop 11-05-2007 09:46 AM

Smith 3-Band EQ
 
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Originally Posted by precbj (Post 7389)
hi guys.. i'm newbie.. just buying a Smith BT6G '89-91 vintage from my friend..
i want to ask about.. what is your opinion if i change the 2-EQband smith original preamp on BT6G with a new aguilar OBP-3 preamp? is it gonna produced a great sound? any of you guys have ever tried to combined them?
i feel that i need the mid settings.. especially to get the melodic tone and support the slap sound (i've seen the john king's clip on youtube - i like the sound :D). please give me suggestions.. help. thank you all :)


Well, I don't know that Ken ships to Jakarta, however, if you are able to buy the Smith 9V Circuit (w/Mid) or 18V Circuit, I would suggest going that route and maintain the integrity and original intended design of that bass.

Since you only have the BT Circuit (i.e. without the Mid), you will need to have an extra hole drilled to accommodate the Mid (and as Ken will tell you, there is little room for error). So, if you could locate and buy the 9V or 18V circuit W/Mid, you might be able to have it professionally installed.

Or, your best option, IF you are able to ship to Ken; I would suggest sending the bass to him and have him do it for you. This way, you can count on getting it done correctly in the first pass. ;)

Brian Jonathan 11-05-2007 10:25 PM

oh.. okay.. yup, you're right.. it need an extra hole drilled on the body,and it's so risky.. mm,i'll try to contact ken later, is it possible to ship the smith w/ mid circuit.. but i dont think i can send the bass to U.S.A... thanx anyway Tim.. :)

Tim Bishop 11-05-2007 11:11 PM

Your welcome
 
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Originally Posted by Brian Jonathan (Post 7393)
oh.. okay.. yup, you're right.. it need an extra hole drilled on the body,and it's so risky.. mm,i'll try to contact ken later, is it possible to ship the smith w/ mid circuit.. but i dont think i can send the bass to U.S.A... thanx anyway Tim.. :)


Your welcome! Give Ken a call.

Ronson Hall 11-06-2007 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Bishop (Post 7394)
Your welcome! Give Ken a call.


Hey Tim? I'm piggybacking on you to give my two cents worth to Brian (Hi, Brian!):

I wouldn't modify the electronics of a Smith, period, no matter how old it was, unless it was a Ken Smith-sanctioned & approved modification (now, admittedly this is from a man who waited almost 11 years to own a Ken Smith!). Even if he sanctioned a mod, I'd want him to do it.

Nope. I'd leave a Smith -a Smith. If I want another sound, I'll just buy whatever axe it is that makes that sound. I wanted a Smith because I so desparately wanted the "Smith" sound.

That's my two cents, and thanks for listening! ;)

Tim Bishop 11-06-2007 11:45 AM

I agree.
 
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Originally Posted by Ronson Hall (Post 7396)
Hey Tim? I'm piggybacking on you to give my two cents worth to Brian (Hi, Brian!):

I wouldn't modify the electronics of a Smith, period, no matter how old it was, unless it was a Ken Smith-sanctioned & approved modification (now, admittedly this is from a man who waited almost 11 years to own a Ken Smith!). Even if he sanctioned a mod, I'd want him to do it.

Nope. I'd leave a Smith -a Smith. If I want another sound, I'll just buy whatever axe it is that makes that sound. I wanted a Smith because I so desparately wanted the "Smith" sound.

That's my two cents, and thanks for listening! ;)

Couldn't have said it better. :)

Bob Faulkner 11-06-2007 12:54 PM

Would you buy a Ferrari and replace the engine with one from a Ford Escort?

I thought not.

Mendell Beckford 11-07-2007 02:13 AM

Mod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Faulkner (Post 7398)
Would you buy a Ferrari and replace the engine with one from a Ford Escort?

I thought not.

A Smith is a Smith and should remain a Smith,IMO:D

Brian Jonathan 11-07-2007 12:56 PM

wow! smith is smith.. unchangeable.. :) mm.. hey.. do you guys know the smith BT that patitucci used on his video lesson.. it isn't 3 knobs or 5knobs.. but only 4knobs? i see it so familiar like the burner series.. that's the first time i saw smith.. the find out...because the tone is so unique and so clarity,
i fell in love with smith at that time...the BT body shape and the sound. after years.. i finally got one :D..

could you give me a configuration of BT circuit control settings to make a good slap&pop sound?? any clue.. thank y'all

Tim Bishop 11-07-2007 06:40 PM

4 Knobs
 
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Originally Posted by Brian Jonathan (Post 7405)
wow! smith is smith.. unchangeable.. :) mm.. hey.. do you guys know the smith BT that patitucci used on his video lesson.. it isn't 3 knobs or 5knobs.. but only 4knobs? i see it so familiar like the burner series.. that's the first time i saw smith.. the find out...because the tone is so unique and so clarity,
i fell in love with smith at that time...the BT body shape and the sound. after years.. i finally got one :D..

could you give me a configuration of BT circuit control settings to make a good slap&pop sound?? any clue.. thank y'all

The 4 knobs is: bass, treble, pan, and volume. I have a BT5 KOA like this I have listed here on this site for sale.

As far as BT control settings to get what you are after. I would suggest experimenting with that until you dial in what you need. A great set-up with a fresh set of Smith Medium Taper Cores would be a good starting point.

Then, start out by panning to the neck pick-up and use the end of the fretboard when making contact with your thumb and pop technique. Also, depending on the amp set-up you are using, you may have additional tonal head-room through that amp.

Pieter Gaskin 11-09-2007 10:18 AM

I would wait to hear what the bass sounds like in real playing situations before I even thought about modifying it.IMHO a mid control is not really needed.You can take care of those freqs on the amp if you think it is necessary.I own a bass with a three band eq and find it sounds best almost always with the mid set flat.
I also have one of those old Sadowsky outboard preamps and it doens't have mid control and it sounds great on my Fender.That preamp went on to be one of the Agulier's if I am not mistaken.
Just my "two cents"


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