Small, light, loud and good!??

[Roosevelt Allen]

The Shuttle 6.0 arrived today. I used it at a gig this evening and it was awesome! I used it with an Ampeg 410hlf which of course is a 4 ohm cab; so 600 watts of power was available. The Ampeg cab has nice bottom end; so the sound was nicely balanced with the amp set flat and the gain at 12 o'clock. There was more than enough headroom. The drummer and keyboard player were amzed at the tone, volume and the ability to cut through the mix. Now I need to locate a light weight cab with acceptable lows. I am open to suggestions. So come on and give some responses.

[Tim Bishop]

Originally Posted by Roosevelt Allen

Now I need to locate a light weight cab with acceptable lows. I am open to suggestions. So come on and give some responses.

Eden 210XST. It's always better to stay with 8 ohm cabinets. This way you can always add more cabinets and get way more coverage when you need it.

[Ronson Hall]

Originally Posted by Tim Bishop

Eden 210XST. It's always better to stay with 8 ohm cabinets. This way you can always add more cabinets and get way more coverage when you need it.

I was going to invest in the Genz Benz 12" extension cab, but I must go ahead and do the Eden 210XST as I had originally planned. Great bottom and, at 8 ohms, I can run it with the Shuttle alone like mentioned above!

Question: What's a good, functional application for my Eden Traveler Plus? Do I also need to consider investing in a good 4 ohm cab as well (and possibly get rid of my beloved SWR Goliath III to make room?)

[Roosevelt Allen]

Tim,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go to Atlanta bass gallery and check out the Eden 210XST tomorrow. I normally use an Ampeg SVT-4pro; but I have been enjoying the shuttle.More follow up to come.....

[Tim Bishop]

Originally Posted by Roosevelt Allen

Tim,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go to Atlanta bass gallery and check out the Eden 210XST tomorrow. I normally use an Ampeg SVT-4pro; but I have been enjoying the shuttle.More follow up to come.....

Once you get there, if you can, try to locate an Eden WT-550, WT-800, WT-1205, etc. and use those amps with the 210XST cabinet vs. the Ampeg SVT-4 Pro head. Eden Amps are way cleaner and will give you the right mix (i.e. best amp and cab combination). Once you hear it, I think you'll hear exactly what I am talking about.

[Roosevelt Allen]

Originally Posted by Tim Bishop

Once you get there, if you can, try to locate an Eden WT-550, WT-800, WT-1205, etc. and use those amps with the 210XST cabinet vs. the Ampeg SVT-4 Pro head. Eden Amps are way cleaner and will give you the right mix (i.e. best amp and cab combination). Once you hear it, I think you'll hear exactly what I am talking about.

Tim
Thanks for your suggestion. The Eden cabs sound great. The WT-550 sounded great. If the WTX500 sounds anything like the WT-550, it will be a real contender.

[Tim Bishop]

Originally Posted by Roosevelt Allen

Tim
If the WTX500 sounds anything like the WT-550, it will be a real contender.

Yep, I have not doubt. I have the WTX-260 and love it. I use it mainly as a DI to FOH. However, pushing a 210XST(4) alone or a 210XLT(8) and 212XLT(8) together would put a smile on your face.

[Tim Bishop]

Originally Posted by Ronson Hall

Question: What's a good, functional application for my Eden Traveler Plus? Do I also need to consider investing in a good 4 ohm cab as well (and possibly get rid of my beloved SWR Goliath III to make room?)

The SWR Goliath III is a nice cab with a 105db SPL rating. Why would you want to get rid of that cab? Is it an 8 ohm cabinet? I'd keep it.

Stick with 8 ohm cabinets always. Again, this is where you will recognize significant coverage differences because you can always add more 8 ohm cabinets than you can 4 ohm cabinets. Simply put: 2 - 8 ohm cabinets running parallel is a 4 ohm load and will pull whatever the 4 ohm indicated output level of the amp is, BUT, because you have more speakers, you'll recognize significant volume coverage. BTW the difference you hear between 1 4-ohm cabinet and 1 8-ohm cabinet individually running from the same amp is nominal. AB it and see for yourself. Another case for sticking with 8 ohm cabinets.

The best way for you to hear this put to the test is do this:

Scenario 1: Hook up a quality 4-ohm cabinet (ex. 1
210XST(4)) to the amp (assuming the amp can handle a 4-ohm load). Then play and listen.

Scenario 2: Hook up 2 quality 8-ohm cabinets (ex. 2 210XST(8)'s) to the same amp. Then play and listen. You WILL hear the difference from Scenario 1 above and realize a significant increase in coverage.

NOTE: Under Scenario 2 and if the amp can handle a 2 ohm load, you can still add 2 more 8 ohm cabinets for even more coverage!!! If you haven't heard this, you must try it one time in your life. : )

Granted, you may not need the additional coverage, but WHY limit yourself???

[Ronson Hall]

Originally Posted by Tim Bishop

The SWR Goliath III is a nice cab with a 105db SPL rating. Why would you want to get rid of that cab? Is it an 8 ohm cabinet? I'd keep it.

Stick with 8 ohm cabinets always. Again, this is where you will recognize significant coverage differences because you can always add more 8 ohm cabinets than you can 4 ohm cabinets. Simply put: 2 - 8 ohm cabinets running parallel is a 4 ohm load and will pull whatever the 4 ohm indicated output level of the amp is, BUT, because you have more speakers, you'll recognize significant volume coverage. BTW the difference you hear between 1 4-ohm cabinet and 1 8-ohm cabinet individually running from the same amp is nominal. AB it and see for yourself. Another case for sticking with 8 ohm cabinets.

The best way for you to hear this put to the test is do this:

Scenario 1: Hook up a quality 4-ohm cabinet (ex. 1
210XST(4)) to the amp (assuming the amp can handle a 4-ohm load). Then play and listen.

Scenario 2: Hook up 2 quality 8-ohm cabinets (ex. 2 210XST(8)'s) to the same amp. Then play and listen. You WILL hear the difference from Scenario 1 above and realize a significant increase in coverage.

NOTE: Under Scenario 2 and if the amp can handle a 2 ohm load, you can still add 2 more 8 ohm cabinets for even more coverage!!! If you haven't heard this, you must try it one time in your life. : )

Granted, you may not need the additional coverage, but WHY limit yourself???

I really, really appreciate that response!

I've had my SWR Goliath III for a long while. When I first acquired my Eden Traveler Plus, I used it to power my SWR for quite a while (sounded great to me!). I was speaking to a sales guy when I bought the Shuttle, informing him I had the SWR. He told me that, at about 350-400 watts feeding into the SWR from the Eden, it was a wonder I hadn't damaged my SWR a long time ago, as I was under-powering the cab. He said the Goliath III needed a minimum of 600 watts to run efficiently.

I was a little shaken after that conversation, as I did not want to "tear up" my Goliath! However, as I mentioned before, I had apparently been "under-powering" my Goliath for a long while (according to the sales guy), with no obvious adverse effects at all.

I started running the SWR Golith III (8 ohms) with my Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 & 210 GB cab (8 ohms) at church three weeks ago (the Shuttle pumps 600 watts at 4 ohms). All I can say is, it sounds great and, so far, so good!

[Tim Bishop]

Originally Posted by Ronson Hall

I really, really appreciate that response!

I've had my SWR Goliath III for a long while. When I first acquired my Eden Traveler Plus, I used it to power my SWR for quite a while (sounded great to me!). I was speaking to a sales guy when I bought the Shuttle, informing him I had the SWR. He told me that, at about 350-400 watts feeding into the SWR from the Eden, it was a wonder I hadn't damaged my SWR a long time ago, as I was under-powering the cab. He said the Goliath III needed a minimum of 600 watts to run efficiently.

I was a little shaken after that conversation, as I did not want to "tear up" my Goliath! However, as I mentioned before, I had apparently been "under-powering" my Goliath for a long while (according to the sales guy), with no obvious adverse effects at all.

I started running the SWR Golith III (8 ohms) with my Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 & 210 GB cab (8 ohms) at church three weeks ago (the Shuttle pumps 600 watts at 4 ohms). All I can say is, it sounds great and, so far, so good!

You're NOT going to hurt your cabinet: He's incorrect. You may be underpowering it a bit and it would be nice if you had a bass amp that puts out 600W or more at 8 ohms to get the most from your cabinet. FYI: Some amps allow you to bridge at 8 ohms. By doing this you are combining amps to produce about 2X the output level of the unbridged 8 ohm signal, thus, supplying all the power needed to drive that cabinet to it's fullest and then some, but that doesn't mean your cabinet won't work well for you with what you have; it will.

What you really need to try is adding another 8 ohm cabinet. Most cabinets are wired parallel, so, all you would need to do is run out of one cabinet into the other. Remember, connecting 2 8 ohm cabinets to your amp will increase the load to 4 ohms. Provided your amp can handle a 4 ohm load, you won't have any issues. You will hear a huge difference in output and have all the coverage you will most likely need. Try it and see.

Also.......

You can NEVER have TOO MUCH headroom. My PLX-3602 will put out 3600W . Will I ever need or use that? Maybe, maybe not. But it sure is nice to know it's there IF I need it.