Playing Jazz

[Richard Prowse]

Thanks for your concern Paul.
I've got to admit that the practice went better last night - in a simple way. The intonation was better, as was the groove. Unfortunately it all unravelled a bit on the last few tunes, but the good news is that my hands got really sore. There's something about playing the bass guitar that seems to agravate my hand injuries, whereas the double bass is much kinder on them. So obviously my days of playing the bass guitar are over, and since this band doesn't like my double bass...
I have my ticket out.
Freedom.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Richard Prowse

Unfortunately it all unravelled a bit on the last few tunes, but the good news is that my hands got really sore.

That's the good news?
Please, don't tell us about the bad.

EDIT: Kenny, I need some help in here.

[Richard Prowse]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

That's the good news?
Please, don't tell us about the bad.

EDIT: Kenny, I need some help in here.

Actually life's looking up and the hands feel a little better today.
My mother, and her sister, both suffered from arthritis so it's actually a bit of a scary point with me at the moment but, hey, life's too short...
But back to jazz...
I watched a short video of Carol Kaye. She implied that she didn't like scale players and that the real jazz players picked their notes from the upper partials of the chords. I hope I haven't misquoted her. How do you make note choices when you are soloing?

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Richard Prowse

Actually life's looking up and the hands feel a little better today.
My mother, and her sister, both suffered from arthritis so it's actually a bit of a scary point with me at the moment but, hey, life's too short...
But back to jazz...
I watched a short video of Carol Kaye. She implied that she didn't like scale players and that the real jazz players picked their notes from the upper partials of the chords. I hope I haven't misquoted her. How do you make note choices when you are soloing?

Richard, I took Kenny's advice and read through that thread. To be truthful and you know it as well as anybody here, it reads like something outta "One Flew Over......"
I won't be involved in something like that.
I will answer your question to the best of my ability.
I don't make note choices per se when I'm soloing. I try to play melodies that sound good to me that fit with the chord changes within the structure of the tune. I don't think much about it....if it sounds good to my ears I play it....if it doesn't I don't.
IMO, IME, YMMV and WRGAF. (four things I've learned to include in my posts when I sense weirdness on the horizon).

[Ken Smith]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Richard, I took Kenny's advice and read through that thread. To be truthful and you know it as well as anybody here, it reads like something outta "One Flew Over......"
I won't be involved in something like that.
I will answer your question to the best of my ability.
I don't make note choices per se when I'm soloing. I try to play melodies that sound good to me that fit with the chord changes within the structure of the tune. I don't think much about it....if it sounds good to my ears I play it....if it doesn't I don't.
IMO, IME, YMMV and WRGAF. (four things I've learned to include in my posts when I sense weirdness on the horizon).

Yes Paul, "One Flew Over......".. and landed in NZ.

Thanks, I thought it was just me!

Hey, imagine someone here going over to TB and posting/copying that 'Down Here' Thread post by post as Richards is almost the only one talking. I wonder how long it takes before a Mod does or says something.. lol

For Solo's I try as well working either around the Melody, making one of my own in the same changes (not so easy on the fly) or just making something up while blending the chords like little patterns around the various connected changes. Not the most melodic way but gets you from A to B when your turn is up.

[Paul Warburton]

Jazz bassists are changing their tunes. Many jazz bassists, myownself included (big time), are even changing the way they construct their lines in the rhythm section. With the advent of the interplay between Bill Evans and Scott LaFaro, we are more free in the notes we can play. We can keep the groove in terms of quarter notes but we no longer have to play the root note on the bottom as much as we used to.
Scott Colley and Drew Gress are just two examples of bassists you can listen to to hear this.
I hear the notes in my bass lines more like "counter-melodies" any more.
The first time I heard my mentor, Red Mitchell, play those beautiful lines behind Hampton Hawes in about 1956......man, those strong lines were not only strong, they were beautiful little melodies that sounded better than most bass player's solos.

[Richard Prowse]

Originally Posted by Ken Smith

Hey, imagine someone here going over to TB and posting/copying that 'Down Here' Thread post by post as Richards is almost the only one talking. I wonder how long it takes before a Mod does or says something.. lol

Well, Kenny Boy, it won't be you because you're banned - forever, I believe. Hey, I'm curious why you keep bringing up TalkBass. Which worries you most, TalkBass or the Down here (NZ) thread?

Good thoughts on soloing chaps. What you both (Ken and Paul) said is the basically the way I approach a solo too.

[Richard Prowse]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Richard, I took Kenny's advice and read through that thread. To be truthful and you know it as well as anybody here, it reads like something outta "One Flew Over......"
I won't be involved in something like that.

Paul, I take it that you're not paying me a compliment - though I don't remember asking for your involvement (on that thread).
I don't get many compliments from Kenny Boy either. Sometimes he's not very welcoming; perhaps that's just his way.
Some people seem to like the Down here (NZ) thread but, anyway, this thread is supposed to be about jazz playing.

[Paul Warburton]

Oh, goody, smack talk.
Look Bucko, I don't need your ****.
"Kenny Boy" is a Nnick name I pinned on Ken about seven years ago. I did that because friends do that as a kind of term of endearment, and that's why I did that. I have about eight different Nnick names in real life and on talk sites. I take those names as compliments. I feel that when you use the name Kenny boy, you are using it in a sarcastic "smack talk" kinda way. I may be wrong, but isn't he your host here? Would you walk into somebodies home and start taking shots at your host? Prolly.
I don't need to have you "ask" me to be involved in any thread here, including that POS, self-centered, study in neurosis NZ crapola thread of yours.
Jerks like you come a dime a dozen on talk sites and in real life....you choose something to talk about to get some attention, then it soon becomes obvious what you really want........more attention.
I did my best to answer your question, but I wouldnt try to answer another one for you because I know that you would be doing that just to try to keep your BS alive.
Nothing personal, IMO, IMHO, IME, YMMV and that old stand-by, WRGAF.

EDIT: There's a jive mother over on that other site who pulls this ****. I have to admit he needs therapy worse than you do, because he comes in, stirs the pot, gets everybody all crazy then goes back and edits or deletes the posts that started the mess. Do you ever do that? We'll see. (or not).

[Anselm Hauke]

[Ken Smith]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

That's the good news?
Please, don't tell us about the bad.

EDIT: Kenny, I need some help in here.

Paul, read Richard's 'Down Here' thread in the Bull Pit. All of it! Then ask me again..

I just don't know where some people find the time and still go out and make a living!

For jazz and musicians, the less said, the better. Do your talking thur your Axe, period. Then, speak when spoken to. Things will go a lot smoother. If you don't like the Gig and don't have to suffer thru it for the money, then Quit! Who's holding a gun to your head?