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Old 02-14-2007, 03:30 PM
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Hey my fellow bottom-lovers, my choice of Bass is exclusevely Smith, I've played through many different heads and cabinets, but ultamately fell in love with the warmth and overall sound of the "Classic" series head and cabinets from "AMPEG". I've never heard the richness and smoothness from any other Bass-Cab combo I own the SVT Classic all tube 300 watt bass head, which I run through a SVT-810 cab "The Truth" (old school players call it the Motown sound) when I play gigs outside of my church I use my SVT-410HLF it's easier to travel with without losing the tone and bottom. check out the pics.
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:52 PM
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Before you can know how good your electric bass can sound, it has to be run through a really good amp. Playing a Smith or other boutique bass through a rough amp is kind of a waste of the bass. I prefer Ampeg stuff. I use a Portabass 800 with a PB212H cab. The head is great and really delivers the full tone of my basses better than anything else I've tried them thru. The cab is so colorless and even that it is hard to tell a recording from the head direct out from a recording off of the cabinet with a high quality mic. I am able to run the EQ flat on this setup and just work the tone out from the bass. An upside to the Portabass series is relatively light weight compared to Ampegs older style heads and cabinets. There doesn't seem to be any compromise in the quality of the sound.
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Old 02-18-2007, 07:35 AM
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I am pretty simple and straight forward:

Epifani 4X10 cabinet
Stewart 2.1 World Amp
Demeter 1.5 space pre-amp (Set pretty flat with scooped mids).

I love my cabinet and pre-amp. I love the weight of the world amp, but may go all tube in the future, but the sound to weight trade off is something I have to get use too.

I play Gospel, Contemporary Jazz, an some R&B.

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Old 02-20-2007, 09:32 AM
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I am pretty simple and straight forward:

Epifani 4X10 cabinet
Stewart 2.1 World Amp
Demeter 1.5 space pre-amp (Set pretty flat with scooped mids).

I love my cabinet and pre-amp. I love the weight of the world amp, but may go all tube in the future, but the sound to weight trade off is something I have to get use too.

I play Gospel, Contemporary Jazz, an some R&B.

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Kraig , do you have any photos of your rig?
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Old 05-17-2007, 10:13 PM
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Eden WT405 through a Avatar 112 cab. Awesome sound.
I have played through alot of medium priced rigs at church. Most people, musicians in the service, would complain about my sound lacking or not cutting through. The first time I set this rig up everyone came up and had compliments. They were finally able to hear.
The funny thing my volume was no louder than with this setup than with any other setup.
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Old 06-21-2007, 09:28 AM
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I use Eden period. My rig consist of the following mixxed and matched depending on the situation.
WT550
WT400
WT1000 (with WT400 as the preamp)
210XST 4 ohm
dual 212XLT 4 ohm
112XLT


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Old 08-05-2007, 07:02 PM
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I use Eden period. My rig consist of the following mixxed and matched depending on the situation.
WT550
WT400
WT1000 (with WT400 as the preamp)
210XST 4 ohm
dual 212XLT 4 ohm
112XLT


Dennis I had the opportunity to play through a WT 390 and as you know there were only three of these cabinets made, it was signed by David Eden. A good friend of mine blew his Fender Bass man amp and asked me to assist him in obtaining a new amp. We went to the Pro-shop I buy from and he and I played his bass a 2005 Mexican Fender 5 through different heads and combos. But ultimately he was set on the David Eden WT 390 combo. I must admit it sounded awesome, better than my Ampeg rig actually. So if and when I decide to change my rig I believe I to will be joining the Eden clan.
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Old 08-05-2007, 07:39 PM
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Dennis I had the opportunity to play through a WT 390 and as you know there were only three of these cabinets made, it was signed by David Eden. A good friend of mine blew his Fender Bass man amp and asked me to assist him in obtaining a new amp. We went to the Pro-shop I buy from and he and I played his bass a 2005 Mexican Fender 5 through different heads and combos. But ultimately he was set on the David Eden WT 390 combo. I must admit it sounded awesome, better than my Ampeg rig actually. So if and when I decide to change my rig I believe I to will be joining the Eden clan.

Hey Al,

I've never heard of a WT-390 ....at any rate....

I've played through and own Edens 400, 550, and 800. The 400 just can't cut it (too weak). The 800 is a great amp also, however, IMO the Eden WT-550 (if nothing else, value-wise) is THE best sounding amp head I have played of the 3 Edens I have.

What you will really need to do now is take your Smith, locate a WT-550 and run it through a 210XST and 212 XLT Cab together. Or, if they have a 410XLT, that'l work too. You think that MIM Fender sounded good? LOL! I can promise you, your Ampeg rig will become a distant memory.

If you are looking for a combo amp......I would recommend the Eden Metro.

Now, if you want to take it to another level?....Well, as you already know, I have shared what I use as my current rig through my other posts, so, I won't bore you with those details again.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:06 AM
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Trace Elliot AH400SMX head, 1048 4x10 cab, 1153 1x15 cab, very early GP11 1x15 combo. Searching for more Trace goodies when I can afford too...
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:41 PM
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Talking New rig review - Schroeder/QSC/Demeter

Hey guys,

So, I got a new rig and wanted to share my opinions with my fellow Smith fiends.

After being a long time Aguilar Ag500 and DB410 cab user and after battling the mids on that rig for way too long. I ended up buying a Schroeder 410R cabinet and pairing it with a Demeter VTBP201S preamp and a QSC PLX 3102. This thing is devastating! Seriously... it put to shame an Ampeg 8x10 in the live show punch and loudness department.

I have nothing but great things to say about Schroeder cabs. The 410R handles 1,600 watts RMS. I emailed Jorg Schroeder, the owner of teh company, and he recomended a power amp with at least 2,000 watts. He told me that he uses the QSC plx series and suggested that I give them a go. I did and was very impressed. I matched the amp/cab with the Demeter preamp and have a great sounding rig with up to 3,000watts of headroom.

I play both progressive heavy rock and clean r&b styles. This combination is perfect with my Smith and even with my Lakland Skyline 55-01.

Now, the cabinet is not as refined as lets say and accugroove when playing solo, but once you put it in a band context it really stands out. It cuts trough and has great, fat low end and punch.

Two thumbs up !!!!!
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:12 PM
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Hey guys,

So, I got a new rig and wanted to share my opinions with my fellow Smith fiends.

After being a long time Aguilar Ag500 and DB410 cab user and after battling the mids on that rig for way too long. I ended up buying a Schroeder 410R cabinet and pairing it with a Demeter VTBP201S preamp and a QSC PLX 3102. This thing is devastating! Seriously... it put to shame an Ampeg 8x10 in the live show punch and loudness department.

I have nothing but great things to say about Schroeder cabs. The 410R handles 1,600 watts RMS. I emailed Jorg Schroeder, the owner of teh company, and he recomended a power amp with at least 2,000 watts. He told me that he uses the QSC plx series and suggested that I give them a go. I did and was very impressed. I matched the amp/cab with the Demeter preamp and have a great sounding rig with up to 3,000watts of headroom.

I play both progressive heavy rock and clean r&b styles. This combination is perfect with my Smith and even with my Lakland Skyline 55-01.

Now, the cabinet is not as refined as lets say and accugroove when playing solo, but once you put it in a band context it really stands out. It cuts trough and has great, fat low end and punch.

Two thumbs up !!!!!
I'm with ya on this one Bill! Two thumbs and two toes up!!!! Sounds like you have a great rig.

While I have not used Schroeder Cabs.........and as I have stated in this thread; my newest favorite rig is my QSC PLX3602 w/Alembic F2-B Pre-amp and whatever Eden Cabs I choose for the room.

"Devastating"?....to say the least!........

My PLX3602 bridged into 4ohms has an output of 3600W. While I may never use all that power, I will have all the headroom I will ever need and oh my, by far my favorite rig set-up!!! I've yet to hear anything that sounds this great! I still love my Eden and Ampeg rigs, however, can't touch this!
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:17 AM
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It was my wish to change my gear to a more low weight gear a few years ago.

Cabinets:
I made a switsh from 4x10 and 1x15 Glockenklang www.glockenklang.de (Made in Germany) to Epifani 212 UL (4 Ohm) and 210 UL (8 Ohm) www.epifani.com

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previus owned amp. set = Alembic F1-X and SF-2 as preamp and a Crown K1 (2x700 Watt) power-amp.
Now I use a Epifani Quest II with footboard switch for switching between two diff. channels (tone setting) and possibility to use a mid cut during life performance. As a power amp, I use a Powersoft. Very good but not cheap. I use the Digam D-4002 model (2 x 1000 Watt at 4 Ohm) www.powersoft.it

Total weight is now is less than 23 Lbs and it sounds like a dream to my ears.
This combination allows me to level the two cabinets and solves also the diff. Ohm levels. Combination of 12 and 10 Inch is great. More body as only 10" but with the same quick response.

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Old 07-30-2007, 03:01 PM
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My gear:

Rack 1:
Aguilar DB680 => Powersoft DIGAM D3002 (Hi Egbert ...:-)

Rack 2:
Glockenklang Heart-Rock

Rack 3:
Aguilar DB750

Monitor:
SWR ST-800

Cabinets:
Various combinations of my Epifani cabs: 1 410UL, 1 212UL, 2 210UL

Effects:
dbx160A Compressor
SWR Mr Tone Controls param EQ

All of the 3 Racks provide different sound details through the Epi cabs. Personally I prefer most the Rack 1 combi with the 212UL and the 210UL on top, works perfect for both fretted and fretless. Quick and punchy, yet organic and with a rich midrange which I like so much on my Smiths...:-)... (Off-Topic: I really like also pre-Gibson Tobias' and old Fenders - they sound better through the other amp heads...)

Actually I have some serious reliability problems with both the DB680 and the Powersoft amp. Especially the Powersoft amp has been in the repair service 3 times and for more than 4 months...

The one thing I hate most is un-reliable equipment ...
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:40 PM
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My gear:

Rack 1:
Aguilar DB680 => Powersoft DIGAM D3002 (Hi Egbert ...:-)

Rack 2:
Glockenklang Heart-Rock

Rack 3:
Aguilar DB750

Monitor:
SWR ST-800

Cabinets:
Various combinations of my Epifani cabs: 1 410UL, 1 212UL, 2 210UL

Effects:
dbx160A Compressor
SWR Mr Tone Controls param EQ

All of the 3 Racks provide different sound details through the Epi cabs. Personally I prefer most the Rack 1 combi with the 212UL and the 210UL on top, works perfect for both fretted and fretless. Quick and punchy, yet organic and with a rich midrange which I like so much on my Smiths...:-)... (Off-Topic: I really like also pre-Gibson Tobias' and old Fenders - they sound better through the other amp heads...)

Actually I have some serious reliability problems with both the DB680 and the Powersoft amp. Especially the Powersoft amp has been in the repair service 3 times and for more than 4 months...

The one thing I hate most is un-reliable equipment ...
Hi Rainer,

Great collection you have. I´m sure your setup sounds great. Do you play with all three cabs at the same time? I agree that your equipment must work all the time. I dind´t have any problem with the powersoft amp.

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Old 08-22-2007, 07:31 AM
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I currently used a David Eden WT 800-C with (2) 2x10 Epifinai Cabs. My Ken Smith beauty is BT Vintage Elite 6 string (BT6EG)
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:45 PM
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Currently a super redhead dated 1997. Im going to add either an avatar 210 or the 410 neo for more push

Other amps I had at some point in time:

Sunn1200s : Loud but too easy to distort, but sounded great set flat.

Peavey Classic 400 : LOUD Good tone..but at 98 lbs...you get the idea

Aguilar DB728 w/ Kern Preamp : best setup I had so far....svt lows with swr highs. heavey and took too much damage during tours. Chitlin circuit is very unforgiving.

ideal rig now might be a glockenklang preamp and aguilar db728. I love tubes for power. Match that with an accurate solid state pre and I think I'll get that elusive tone.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:43 PM
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I'm a big fan of the EBS amps. Using an old EBS Gorm-300 2x10 combo myself.
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Eden and Mesa

The head is a late '90s WT-500 atop a 410XLT 8 ohm. I purchased the amp from Scott Ambush and couldn't be happier with the tone. When bridged mono, the amp puts out 600 watts into 8 ohms and you must be at 8 ohms. That combination has brutal low end, very focused tight and deep. IMHO, ideal for slap... right up your alley Chris.

The mesa rig is an mPulse 600 atop a PowerHouse 212. The tone is very tastey and compliments the tone of a J. The low end is a little weak (less tight and focused), when compared to the eden, but it more then makes up for it with character and a nice mid-range growl. I use it primarily for my rock and blues gigs.

Chris, you are more then welcome to borrow it anytime. Just let me know when and where you're playing and I'll even deliver it! You can repay me with a lesson or 2


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Old 12-10-2007, 08:48 PM
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Ok Guys,

Here is a current photo of my QSC/Eden Rig:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSCF0050.jpg

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Old 12-10-2007, 09:02 PM
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Here is a current photo of my QSC/Eden Rig:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...n/DSCF0050.jpg

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That's ONE Amp? I would be scared to live in your neighborhood..
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