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Auguste Sebastian Bernadel, 1858 ?
Hello Ken,
a few years ago I bought an old french doublebass from a luthier in Bremen. The instrument was totally unrestored for 30 years, because the luthier was only interested in violins, violas and celli. I found the bass in the basement of the workshop without the scroll, which appeared two days later. The varnish was completely matt, so I could not see the beautiful color it had. It had only one crack in the rib and was completely healthy. Only the patches on the center-joint of the back were replaced about 30 years ago. When the bass was complete again, the sound was surprisingly beautiful and even. The Bass has a label, which can be seen in the following posts. My question is: What do you think about the origin of the instrument? (I read in another thread, that you once owned a Bernadel yourself) I´m looking forward to your (or anybody else) answer! Martin |
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Bernardel?
Can I please see some pics of the back button by the neck/upper back area? I want to see the Purfling around the upper back. All the Bernardel Basses I have seen were of Violin form. That is a pretty famous maker and label to be in a gamba shaped Bass. Also the scroll has 4 German hatpeg gears. Never on a French Bass will you see those gears. German and French just don't mix. Most older French Basses were 3-strings as well. The shape of that pegbox is German in its curve and not like any French Scroll I have seen.
The Varnish is a beautiful color with hint of gold underneath. If this Bass is all original and French let alone Bernardel Pere' (the father) then I have just been re-educated. My guess would be a nice German Bass from 1880-1900 with a Bernardel label, hence a copy but hey, anything is possible. I have seen Jacquet, Lamy and Barbe' Basses in Gamba form but never a Bernardel, sorry. |
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Bernardel,1858
Hello Ken,
thank you for answering to my question. Photos from the upper bottom of the bass will be made in short. Up to this moment I didn`t saw any Bernardel bass in gamba shape too, but I`m no specialist in the manner of his way to built basses. A few weeks ago I asked Jan Knooren, bassmaker in the netherlands, what he thinks about the bass. His suggestion is, that the body is original, but he doesn`t think the scroll fits to the bass. It`s difficult to get photos of basses made by Auguste Bernardel to compare. I`m open to every suggestion belonging that bass. Martin |
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Bernardel Pere'
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my 2ct
i know martins bass well. (guess who made the pics...)
my opinions/thougts: - i´m not sure about the scroll - i have seen some mirecourt basses with hat peg tuners, but i think these ar not original - i have never seen such a beautiful redwine-coloured varnish with a golden coat of varnish beneath on a german bass. you can´t see that on this pics, but maybe martin can post some more - the bass is imho very fine and delicate made, that i´ve seldom seen in german basses of this age - somewhere in the internet iirc i´ve seen a gamba-bernadel, but i can´t find the pic again - aside from the label, i think this could be a french bass Ken: could you please post the bernadel-pics from the elgar-book? thanks alot anselm hauke |
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French?
Well, I agree that this Bass is a little mystery but the C-bouts do not look French to me at all. Either German or Bohemian actually. On the Varnish, how do you know the varnish is actually original? What if someone 20, 40, 60 or 80 years ago refinished it. Would you be able to tell? Also, not all Red over Gold = French! Have a look at my Martini and tell me if that doesn't look similar in color as well.
The Bass is a nice looking Bass whatever it is and the Scroll is not easy to tell in Pics. I would need to have it here with a UV light and check the Varnish as compared to the Back to see if it matches. If the head is older than the possible re-finish, then it might match if it was completely stripped. If the Varnish on the Bass is original or if the Head's varnish is different under UV, then we know for sure it has been replaced. Many Basses have led a rough and tough life. Many of the types or Repairs and butchery that we have seen on some older Basses are not done much in todays world but there are some who just don't know any better so beware when having your Bass fixed by anyone other than a top class Bass luthier. On the Elgar Pics, I can't post them for you sorry. On this Bass, I still want to see the back Button area and Purfling close-up if possible. |
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i´ll try again later. in the meantime, here is a imho similar looking bass http://perso.orange.fr./vcharbo/avendre.htm |
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finally here is a pic of the back/neck
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purfling at the back
Hi Ken,
what do you think about the photo of the back and the purfling? You wanted to see it. And what do you say about the french bass in gamba shape, which is described to be in the style of Bernadel? Best wishes,Martin |
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French Gamba
they look more like Xavier Jacquet to me or at least in that style. More Miercourt than Paris.
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