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Old 10-20-2007, 12:54 PM
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Hi guys,

I'm in the market for a small amp for my upright. I'm primarily an electric player and have a great Eden combination but I'd like to find something that would do the job in small settings and especially one that would fit the upright more.
I have a Shen 1800 hybrid so.....
The amps I've been looking at (and they are not that high end but I have a budget are: Ampeg BA112, Ampeg BA115 and Ampeg B50R
The BA112 and B50R are 50 watt models with a 12" speajer whereas the BA115 is 100 watts with a 15".

Could you give me your preferences? Thanks .... I don't know if a 10, 12 or 15 would be better.

Jim
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Old 10-20-2007, 01:52 PM
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Thanks so much for the info Eric!

So what you are saying is that speaker type or size isn't so much what to look for as the pre-amp. Am I correct in that? I was of the impression that the upright tone responded better to smaller cabinets (due to the use of so many guys with the GK combo setup with the 12").


My normal electric rig is an Eden WT800 with 2 2-10XST cabinets but I have it set up tonally for the electric. I havent' tried the upright through them simply because of the hassle of resetting the tone.
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Old 10-20-2007, 01:58 PM
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I think you have decide how big a rig you are willing to carry around and then find the one that sounds the best to you and fits your budget. I use 10", 12" and 15" inch cabinets depending upon the volume I'll need in a given situation. I'm also at the stage where I prefer to bring the smallest gear possible!

If you're only going to have one amp for your upright, a 12" speaker is probably a good compromise between sound and convenience. I do know many players that always use 15" cabinets though.

Sorry, I don't know the Ampegs.
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:12 PM
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Sorry, Jim, I decided to change my reply and you got to the first, I think before I made the change.

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So what you are saying is that speaker type or size isn't so much what to look for as the pre-amp. Am I correct in that? I was of the impression that the upright tone responded better to smaller cabinets (due to the use of so many guys with the GK combo setup with the 12").
No, I don't mean that. Different speaker sizes have different tonal characteristics and can support more or less levels of volume. I think many guys use the GK combo mainly because of its compact size for ease of transport, although they don't sound bad either. But sound is such a personal thing, and I think you need to try out a number of different amp/preamp/speaker combinations to find out what will be the best for you in any given situation.

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My normal electric rig is an Eden WT800 with 2 2-10XST cabinets but I have it set up tonally for the electric. I havent' tried the upright through them simply because of the hassle of resetting the tone.
Give the Eden a try with just one of the cabinets and see if you can dial up a sound you like. If you don't mind carrying the WT800 around, you could try matching it with even smaller cabs and see if you can get a good sound.

You should get used to resetting the tone on whatever amp you use. You can write down or put marks on the settings you have now for future reference. I don't think I've ever done a gig where I didn't have to tweak the amp tonally to work in the various venues I play in and groups I play with, not to mention the different basses used.
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:47 AM
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Hi guys,

I'm in the market for a small amp for my upright. I'm primarily an electric player and have a great Eden combination but I'd like to find something that would do the job in small settings and especially one that would fit the upright more.
I have a Shen 1800 hybrid so.....
The amps I've been looking at (and they are not that high end but I have a budget are: Ampeg BA112, Ampeg BA115 and Ampeg B50R
The BA112 and B50R are 50 watt models with a 12" speajer whereas the BA115 is 100 watts with a 15".

Could you give me your preferences? Thanks .... I don't know if a 10, 12 or 15 would be better.

Jim
Jim, Check out Yorkville (now Traynor again) bass combos

http://www.traynoramps.com/default.asp?p_id=2

They're great for not alot of $. Can't say enough about them for value, durability, portability AND tone.

I have several of posts about their stuff in these threads http://www.talkbass.com/forum/search...archid=5833648 on Talbass.com.

Run a search in the amp threads w/ "Yorkville bribass"

That being said, if you have the budget Acoustic Image heads (Focus or Claris) or a (any) legendary Walter Woods head w/ a Euphonic Audio Wizzy M-line 12" cab is about as good as it gets for double bass amplification IMHO.

However, ALOT more $ than a Traynor bass combo.

BTW, all the above would be great for bass guitar as well.

BG
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:34 AM
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Thumbs up Yorkville

I used a Yorkville Block 40 for many years and thought it outperformed the much more expensive GK combo. I did blow the 10" speaker a couple of times but not a big deal to replace it. Sad to say, I had it out on a gig a couple of weeks ago and it was stolen when I left the room to play in a second location.

On the Walter Woods, I used the 100 watt two channel version for many years but was never crazy about the sound, especially with BG. I ended using it with an Alembic preamp which sounded better to me and finally sold it after the power supply blew for the second time.
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:28 PM
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You listed several Ampegs and I don't know the budget size you have, but I think the best small Ampeg combo for DB might be the PBC228, which is a two channel model designed with doubling on double bass and electric in mind. The big head (PB 800 with a 212H cab) in that series is one I have and it has a real nice tone for upright. I haven't played through the Ampeg combo, but I have found that speaker design and cabinet design are more important than the speaker diameter. That amp is 16 x 16 x 10 inches and the whole thing weighs just 30 lbs.

My personal favorite DB "little big guy" is the Acoustic Image Coda. The Contra model is the one channel model (less $$) and these have a much deeper sound than many small combos. It's largest speaker is a down firing 10 and this amp has a lot more bottom end to it than my old Fender RAD with a 10 in a ported reflex. There might be some good deals on the series I and series II of these since series III is being distributed now.
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i have a GK microbass amp, and i swear by it. there is a single 12" speaker, 100 watts, etc. here's a link:
http://www.basscentre.com/bass-combo...ies-combo.html

there is a lot of power here - more than enough to play over the drums and fill a room. also, i tune in fifths so i've got a c below e that rumbles like you wouldn't believe out of the GK. although my preference lies in 2X10" speaker size, the portability and power of this little guy impresses me every day!

ps: it only weighs 26 lbs!
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A few weeks back I got a Fender Bassman TV Twelve. 150 watts, 1x12" speaker. The cabinet is a little on the large side for a 1x12, but I've been really happy with the sound I've gotten from it. And it looks really cool for the western swing gigs I do.

The only downside for me is that this amp isn't powerful enough for electric bass in an R&B band, but I've still got the SWR for that.

As an aside, I have yet to be really happy with the sound I've gotten from an Eden (I've got a Metro here), for either electric bass or double bass; is it just me?
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Old 09-20-2009, 01:23 PM
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As an aside, I have yet to be really happy with the sound I've gotten from an Eden (I've got a Metro here), for either electric bass or double bass; is it just me?
I've used a WT300 for years and am happy with it as a doubling amp. I get good usable sounds out of it with a variety of speakers. But, I bought it as a compromise between size, sound and cost. I know there are "better" sounding amps out there.
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Old 09-20-2009, 02:15 PM
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As an aside, I have yet to be really happy with the sound I've gotten from an Eden (I've got a Metro here), for either electric bass or double bass; is it just me?
Dave, I cannot imagine why you would not like an Eden set-up. The Metro (I'm assuming it's the 210 combo?). Eden, provides a very clean output of any of my basses: Very clean; just set flat. Is it just a 210 combo? If so, is it enough coverage with just the 210? Is it possible the Metro is not functioning properly? What is it that you don't like?
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Dave, I cannot imagine why you would not like an Eden set-up. The Metro (I'm assuming it's the 210 combo?). Eden, provides a very clean output of any of my basses: Very clean; just set flat. Is it just a 210 combo? If so, is it enough coverage with just the 210? Is it possible the Metro is not functioning properly? What is it that you don't like?
They are talking about the Double Bass here just in case you weren't aware of it.
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Old 09-20-2009, 02:49 PM
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As an aside, I have yet to be really happy with the sound I've gotten from an Eden (I've got a Metro here), for either electric bass or double bass; is it just me?
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They are talking about the Double Bass here just in case you weren't aware of it.
Yes, I am aware of that. Dave makes a reference to both DB and EB with the Eden Metro.
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Dave, I cannot imagine why you would not like an Eden set-up. The Metro (I'm assuming it's the 210 combo?). Eden, provides a very clean output of any of my basses: Very clean; just set flat. Is it just a 210 combo? If so, is it enough coverage with just the 210? Is it possible the Metro is not functioning properly? What is it that you don't like?
I know - it's a puzzler that I've noticed numerous times with different Eden amps. I'll try to get enough low end to please me and it just doesn't happen - even though Ill look back and see the speakers moving a LOT. Since the sound I look for in an amp is pretty much what I hear with a fine ribbon mic on the bass, I want a lot of lows and not a lot in the way of mid and upper range frequencies. The Metro is more or less configured like an SWR Super Redhead (2x10, more than 300 watts), but the Metro hasn't made me smile with either a Realist pickup or the Fishman Full Circle I'm using these days. The SWR sounded fine with both.
I'd LIKE for the Eden to work - after all, my Eden still has working wheels, while the SWR's wheel have long since gone away.
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