Mystery Cello 1670?

[Ken Smith]

Originally Posted by Mike Weems

I know this is a bass forum but I have this cello and since cellos are double bass's little brother I thought someone here may be able to help me ID it. this is the state this cello was in when I received it and I have been moving it from place to place for the last 20 years. decided to do something with it. I had a Hamm violin of similar construction 1830's. It dose have a date of 1670 written on the back in what looks like lead. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ok, the condition of the wood is way way newer than 1670. The scroll and neck look a bit like Yankee construction like Prescott. I think it was maybe refinished as the back looks new and even inside the back doesn't look that old. Maybe, just maybe it's from 1870 which is late for Prescott but it looks more like 20th century condition. Maybe $16.70 was the price back then but in no way was this made that far back.

[Mike Weems]

I did not think it was that early but the construction is so odd I could not place it. Thanks again for the info. At least that's a starting point for me. Note about the construction originally the ribs fit into channel cut into the back. Also there is a repair label J Metheny 1921. I agree that might be a price or a twisted joke.

[Ken Smith]

Originally Posted by Mike Weems

I did not think it was that early but the construction is so odd I could not place it. Thanks again for the info. At least that's a starting point for me. Note about the construction originally the ribs fit into channel cut into the back. Also there is a repair label J Metheny 1921. I agree that might be a price or a twisted joke.

Mike, that IS the construction of the early Yankee school. That is guitar style construction and was partially done in Europe as well in the early days. The Scroll and Pegbox is definitely Yankee and I attribute it to Prescott or one of his workers of followers.

[Mike Weems]

Just looked over your Prescott bass Restore pics. The peg box walls on this cello originally hand inlayed tuner plates not friction pegs. The figured maple sides were fit later. thanks again as usual your help is invaluable.

[Ken Smith]

Originally Posted by Mike Weems

Just looked over your Prescott bass Restore pics. The peg box walls on this cello originally hand inlayed tuner plates not friction pegs. The figured maple sides were fit later. thanks again as usual your help is invaluable.

Yes, Prescott Cellos were 4-strings and they were mostly but a few not Cellos but Church basses with gears on plates. The double basses were made with 3 strings and most of them have since been converted to 4-strings. A few basses have the old plates with 4-strings and might have been converted in Prescott's time as I don't know of any basses he made in 4-strings originally but they could have been made in 4s as well.

[Ken Smith]

http://www.cello.org/heaven/cowling/prescott.jpg

From; http://www.cello.org/heaven/cowling/makecel.htm

Cello Size Comparison .Length of Body Upper Bouts Lower Bouts

Pietro Guarneri.............30 inches 13 3/8 inches 17 1/2 inches

Santo Seraphin............ 28 3/4 inches 13 13/16 inches 16 7/8 inches

Abraham Prescott........ 32 inches 14 1/2 inches 18 5/8 inches

[Mike Weems]

This cello measures
body length 29 1/4
upper bout width 13 1/4
lower bout 16 3/8

so I guess it's a true cello? going over link cello page thanks again.